Notes � Nietzsche, tragedy

Greg Detre

Sunday, 21 January, 2001

Dr Rosen, post-Kantian II

 

Essay title

How, in Nietzsche�s view, does tragedy enable human beings to accept the world?

What led to its demise?

 

BT - puts the drive for truth in context

pay attention to Socratism as that which corrodes tragedy

Reading list

Nietzsche lectures on Philology

Danto

Nehemas

Schacht

Janaway � Willing and nothingness in Schopenhauer

Silk and Stern � Nietzsche on tragedy

Reading � Schacht, chapter on �Art and artists�

art quotes � 476

Schop: �will� as the world in itself � formless, aimless, turbulent, principle

tragedy exposes the suffering and absurdity of life = Dionysiac wisdom, e.g. Hamlet

art � overcoming and transfiguration

art-life

Ubermensch as symbol of human rising to the level of art, struggle sublimated to creativity above the all too human

Apoll + Dion = art-states of nature (pg 483)

Reading � Kaufman introduction

Kaufman doesn�t see Nietzsche as opposed to Socratism - is Socratism necessary then???

how is the Apollonian important in tragic drama? redemption in illusion

 

 

Notes

bio of Nietzsche + Wagner, BT�s uproar

abstract willing � metaphys lava

2 not wholly opposing forces/categories

epic poetry + visual arts vs music + tragic drama: Apolline + Dionysiac: dream vs intoxication/rapture

� quote in no 3

Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides

does Nietzsche spurn all consolation?

sublime + comedy in no 7

10b

chorus

satyr + Prometheus = Dionysiac

distaste for Euripides + New Comedy in no 11 � spectator on stage

anti-public pg 79

Schiller na� vs sentimental???

12a Euripides = traagedy without Dionysiac = naturalistic + inartistic

12 aesthetic Socratism: beauty intelligibility, �audacious reasonableness�

14a death of tragedy in the Socratic maxims

optimistic dialectic drives music out of tragedy

14d definition of tragedy

Lessing � search for truth > possession

15d tragic insight needs art as protection and remedy

 

Quotes

Nietzsche himself on the BT

Wilde preface on art and life

Apoll + Dion �art-impulses�

importance of art

what is Dionysian?

influence of Socratism

importance + consolations of tragedy

�The arts generally � make life possible and worth living� (BT 1)

his view of the world is �anti-metaphysical� and �an artistic one� (WP 1048)

art as �no more than a pleasant sideline, a readinly dispensable tinkling of bells that accompanies the �seriousness of life��

�art represents the highest task and the truly metaphysical activity of this life� (BT P)

�badly written, ponderous, embarrassing, image-mad and image-confused, sentimental, in places saccharine � uneven in tempo, without the will to logical cleanliness, very convinced and therefore disdainful of proof� (BT SC 3)

�to look at science in the perspective of the artist, but at art in that of life� (BT SC 2)

�audacious book�

Points

quotes from Wilde � Dorian Gray preface

Dictionary

see Dictionary file

Questions

How does Nietzsche�s view differ from the usual view?

Is Euripides popular?

�plastic arts�

is Nietzsche not saying that it Socratism contemptible and sick???

cheerfulness vs naivete (17) vs Alexandrian

is he critical of opera?

how do they know he is referring to Wagner especially, at the end?

why is the book worse off for the last 9 sections?